ZF-based webmail?

[Patrik Henningsson]

Hi folks,

Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet
lightweight ZF-based webmail?
I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and similar ..

Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the
Framework in the PHP-community and could be studied as a
demo-application?

--
/Patrik

[Peter Pistorius]

I've been dying to get this going... We have a commercial interest in
creating an AJAX based open-source webmail solution. I have 3 developers
that I can commit to the project.

Kind regards,
Peter Pistorius



Kind regards,
Peter Pistorius
 

Patrik Henningsson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet
> lightweight ZF-based webmail?
> I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and
> similar ..
>
> Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the
> Framework in the PHP-community and could be studied as a
> demo-application?
>

[Simon Mundy]

Hi Patrik

Before you head too far down the path, check out http://
www.roundcube.net/ - quite a lovely app so far and no complaints from  
our end-users.

It's a good exercise to tackle, though - I can't help directly at the  
moment but would be keen on pitching in for testing, etc if you require

Cheers

> Hi folks,
>
> Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet
> lightweight ZF-based webmail?
> I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and  
> similar ..
>
> Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the
> Framework in the PHP-community and could be studied as a
> demo-application?
>
> --
> /Patrik

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[Keith Pope]

Sounds like a good idea :)

I think a good "demo" app would help with take-up of the framework.

-Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrik Henningsson [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 19 September 2006 14:24
To: Zend Framework General
Subject: [fw-general] ZF-based webmail?

Hi folks,

Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet lightweight
ZF-based webmail?
I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and
similar ..

Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the Framework
in the PHP-community and could be studied as a demo-application?

--
/Patrik

[Craig Webster-2]

On 19 Sep 2006, at 14:28, Simon Mundy wrote:
> Before you head too far down the path, check out http://
> www.roundcube.net/ - quite a lovely app so far and no complaints  
> from our end-users.

RoundCube is a lovely client but it's got a pretty messy code base  
and could use a refactoring. Unfortunately the main developers want  
to keep RC using PHP4. I'd love to see a ZF port of it with a cleaner  
code-base (and a working plugin system!)

Yours,
Craig
--
No long-term contracts, no complicated signup forms, no hidden costs.
Xeriom 2.0: Web hosting made easy. Coming soon! http://xeriom.net/

[Nico Edtinger]

Hi!

If you have any questions about the upcoming zend mail classes don't  
hesitate to ask. The proposal for that stuff, if you haven't seen it  
yet: http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Mail_Read 
+Proposal+-+Nico+Edtinger

I must admit I was busy the last weeks with an other project (and  
being on holiday), but I haven't stopped working on it.

nico

[19.09.2006 15:20] Patrik Henningsson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet
> lightweight ZF-based webmail?
> I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and  
> similar ..
> Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the
> Framework in the PHP-community and could be studied as a
> demo-application?
>
> --
> /Patrik

[GavinZend]

Hi Nico,

Good news indeed =)

Recently, issues surrounding PHPUnit3, ZF, PHP 5.1.x, and our unit test
harness have been resolved (thanks Sebastian!), and we're getting onto a
faster track driving for a 0.2 release.  Incubator components will only
be released with ZF 0.2, if they have reasonable code coverage by unit
tests, and adequate documentation.  For proposals with multiple classes,
if some classes are useful and usable and meet this criteria, they are
candidates for releasing with ZF 0.2, even if other classes in the
proposal do not meet this criteria.

Is there anything you need?

We will very very soon have a wiki team page for listing issues, tasks,
help wanted signs, etc.
.
.
Ok .. now we have one .. a humble beginning:
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/x/mRI

Cheers,
Gavin

Nico Edtinger wrote:

> Hi!
>
> If you have any questions about the upcoming zend mail classes don't
> hesitate to ask. The proposal for that stuff, if you haven't seen it
> yet:
> http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Mail_Read+Proposal+-+Nico+Edtinger 
>
>
> I must admit I was busy the last weeks with an other project (and
> being on holiday), but I haven't stopped working on it.
>
> nico
>
> [19.09.2006 15:20] Patrik Henningsson wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet
>> lightweight ZF-based webmail?
>> I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and
>> similar ..
>> Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the
>> Framework in the PHP-community and could be studied as a
>> demo-application?
>>
>> --/Patrik
>
>
>

[Peter Pistorius]

I was waiting for someone to say that ... I think Roundcube is a good
example of very bad code. Have a look at app.js if you need convincing.


Craig Webster wrote:

> On 19 Sep 2006, at 14:28, Simon Mundy wrote:
>> Before you head too far down the path, check out
>> http://www.roundcube.net/ - quite a lovely app so far and no
>> complaints from our end-users.
>
> RoundCube is a lovely client but it's got a pretty messy code base and
> could use a refactoring. Unfortunately the main developers want to
> keep RC using PHP4. I'd love to see a ZF port of it with a cleaner
> code-base (and a working plugin system!)
>
> Yours,
> Craig
> --
> No long-term contracts, no complicated signup forms, no hidden costs.
> Xeriom 2.0: Web hosting made easy. Coming soon! http://xeriom.net/
>
>
>
>

[Thomas Weidner]

Hy,

> Incubator components will only be released with ZF 0.2, if they have
> reasonable code coverage by unit tests, and adequate documentation.  For
> proposals with multiple classes, if some classes are useful and usable and
> meet this criteria, they are candidates for releasing with ZF 0.2, even if
> other classes in the proposal do not meet this criteria.

I think this goes especialy to me ;-)
Release-Ready are
Zend_Measure with all subclasses
Zend_Locale
 But Locale_Data & Format will be needed even when they are not complete for
now.

All other classes are lacking unit-tests and documentation.

I'm already focusing on getting Zend_Locale_Format ready as proposed, but
it's
a hard task. Not sure if I get it ready for 0.2

> Is there anything you need?

Money and time ;-)

> We will very very soon have a wiki team page for listing issues, tasks,
> help wanted signs, etc.

Ok...
I added a "help wanted" sign in my team's page
Maybe this is more appealing to someone ;-)

Humorous greetings
Thomas

[Patrik Henningsson]

That's very nice to here, maybe start a sourceforge-project is a good start?
Then to the most important question, what should it be called? =)
Any suggestions folks?


On 9/19/06, Peter Pistorius <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've been dying to get this going... We have a commercial interest in
> creating an AJAX based open-source webmail solution. I have 3 developers
> that I can commit to the project.
>
> Kind regards,
> Peter Pistorius
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Peter Pistorius
>
>
> Patrik Henningsson wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet
> > lightweight ZF-based webmail?
> > I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and
> > similar ..
> >
> > Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the
> > Framework in the PHP-community and could be studied as a
> > demo-application?
> >
>

--
/Patrik

[Simon Mundy]

> I was waiting for someone to say that ... I think Roundcube is a  
> good example of very bad code. Have a look at app.js if you need  
> convincing.

LOL :)

I have to admit I was in a hurry to get a solution up-and-running, so  
I was more concerned at getting it working than how it was coded. I  
still haven't looked at the source code but I'll take your word for  
it that it's less than adequate.

I certainly won't need to be asked twice if I'd like a ZF-powered  
webmail client. As I mentioned previously, if I can't spend some good  
time developing it then I'd certainly put my hand up for feedback,  
implementation and testing

Cheers

> Craig Webster wrote:
>> On 19 Sep 2006, at 14:28, Simon Mundy wrote:
>>> Before you head too far down the path, check out http://
>>> www.roundcube.net/ - quite a lovely app so far and no complaints  
>>> from our end-users.
>>
>> RoundCube is a lovely client but it's got a pretty messy code base  
>> and could use a refactoring. Unfortunately the main developers  
>> want to keep RC using PHP4. I'd love to see a ZF port of it with a  
>> cleaner code-base (and a working plugin system!)
>>
>> Yours,
>> Craig
>> --
>> No long-term contracts, no complicated signup forms, no hidden costs.
>> Xeriom 2.0: Web hosting made easy. Coming soon! http://xeriom.net/

--

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[Peter Pistorius]

Hi Patrick,

> That's very nice to here, maybe start a sourceforge-project is a good
> start?
> Then to the most important question, what should it be called? =)
> Any suggestions folks?

Here are some silly suggestions:

Paper Plane Mail?
Feather Mail?
Lemon Flavour Mail?

I would also like to suggest the use of the YUI javascript library.

[Keith Pope]

How about snailMail hehe

Also slightly off topic but I have been looking at javascript frameworks
recently, how does YUI compare to protoype and its children ?

Thx

Keith  

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Pistorius [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 20 September 2006 10:44
To: Patrik Henningsson
Cc: Zend Framework General
Subject: Re: [fw-general] ZF-based webmail?

Hi Patrick,

> That's very nice to here, maybe start a sourceforge-project is a good
> start?
> Then to the most important question, what should it be called? =) Any
> suggestions folks?

Here are some silly suggestions:

Paper Plane Mail?
Feather Mail?
Lemon Flavour Mail?

I would also like to suggest the use of the YUI javascript library.

[Mislav Marohnić]

On 9/20/06, Keith Pope <[hidden email]> wrote:

Also slightly off topic but I have been looking at javascript frameworks
recently, how does YUI compare to protoype and its children ?

YUI = huge(!), robust, pretty stable, great event handling, good documentation
Prototype.js = medium sized, Ruby-like, user-friendly, no-frills low-level framework to build on - combine it with LowPro addon

think of what you need and decide based on that... you might want to consider jQuery or new Mootools (supposedly combining best of jQuery and Prototype)

[Fabrice Douteaud]

What about DOJO? how YUI compares to DOJO?

Thanks!

On 9/20/06, Mislav Marohnić <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 9/20/06, Keith Pope <[hidden email]> wrote:

Also slightly off topic but I have been looking at javascript frameworks
recently, how does YUI compare to protoype and its children ?

YUI = huge(!), robust, pretty stable, great event handling, good documentation
Prototype.js = medium sized, Ruby-like, user-friendly, no-frills low-level framework to build on - combine it with LowPro addon

think of what you need and decide based on that... you might want to consider jQuery or new Mootools (supposedly combining best of jQuery and Prototype)

[Patrik Henningsson]

Hi Nico,

I've tried your classes out .. first i tried the svn-version but your
examples doesn't work with that since Zend_Mail_List seems lost.
But with release 0.1.5 it works .. but pretty much functionallity is missing.
How far have you got making IMAP work?
It would be really nice to build the application on top of your classes ..


On 9/20/06, Nico Edtinger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> If you have any questions about the upcoming zend mail classes don't
> hesitate to ask. The proposal for that stuff, if you haven't seen it
> yet: http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Mail_Read
> +Proposal+-+Nico+Edtinger
>
> I must admit I was busy the last weeks with an other project (and
> being on holiday), but I haven't stopped working on it.
>
> nico
>
> [19.09.2006 15:20] Patrik Henningsson wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Anyone going in the same thoughts as me of building a sweet
> > lightweight ZF-based webmail?
> > I'm really tired of the messy code in Horde/IMP, Squirrelmail and
> > similar ..
> > Hopefully this could lead to some positive reactions about the
> > Framework in the PHP-community and could be studied as a
> > demo-application?
> >
> > --
> > /Patrik
>
>
>

--
/Patrik

[Michael Sheakoski]

I'm a *huge* fan of YUI.  I like how you can pick and choose which
components to include, just like ZF.  Also upon examining their code, it
is very high quality.  I'm a perfectionist who likes to roll my own
solutions usually but I have to admit, they do it much better than I
would have.

I also really like moo.fx / moo.dom / moo.ajax which are based on a
prototype "lite" library.  The nice thing about this library is that
it's only 3KB.


Mislav Marohnić wrote:

> On 9/20/06, Keith Pope <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Also slightly off topic but I have been looking at javascript frameworks
>> recently, how does YUI compare to protoype and its children ?
>
>
> YUI = huge(!), robust, pretty stable, great event handling, good
> documentation
> Prototype.js = medium sized, Ruby-like, user-friendly, no-frills
> low-level
> framework to build on - combine it with LowPro addon
>
> think of what you need and decide based on that... you might want to
> consider jQuery or new Mootools (supposedly combining best of jQuery and
> Prototype)
>

[GavinZend]

Let me dream for a moment ...

I'm replacing my squirrelmail / PHP 4 webmail with:

- ZF 1.0
- PHP 5
- PDO / MySQL support
- ZF Search Lucene gives powerful search without publishing our emails
for governments to search through
- Nico's mail reading / IMAP classes
- Zend_Locale / Zend_Translate bringing support for numerous languages
- Zend_Cache for speedy recall
- Zend_Service_Google for spell checker
- etc.

Cheers,
Gavin

Simon Mundy wrote:

>> I was waiting for someone to say that ... I think Roundcube is a good
>> example of very bad code. Have a look at app.js if you need convincing.
>
> LOL :)
>
> I have to admit I was in a hurry to get a solution up-and-running, so
> I was more concerned at getting it working than how it was coded. I
> still haven't looked at the source code but I'll take your word for it
> that it's less than adequate.
>
> I certainly won't need to be asked twice if I'd like a ZF-powered
> webmail client. As I mentioned previously, if I can't spend some good
> time developing it then I'd certainly put my hand up for feedback,
> implementation and testing
>
> Cheers
>
>> Craig Webster wrote:
>>> On 19 Sep 2006, at 14:28, Simon Mundy wrote:
>>>> Before you head too far down the path, check out
>>>> http://www.roundcube.net/ - quite a lovely app so far and no
>>>> complaints from our end-users.
>>>
>>> RoundCube is a lovely client but it's got a pretty messy code base
>>> and could use a refactoring. Unfortunately the main developers want
>>> to keep RC using PHP4. I'd love to see a ZF port of it with a
>>> cleaner code-base (and a working plugin system!)
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Craig
>>> --No long-term contracts, no complicated signup forms, no hidden costs.
>>> Xeriom 2.0: Web hosting made easy. Coming soon! http://xeriom.net/
>
> --
>
> Simon Mundy | Director | PEPTOLAB
>
> """ " "" """""" "" "" """"""" " "" """"" " """"" "  """""" "" "
> 202/258 Flinders Lane | Melbourne | Victoria | Australia | 3000
> Voice [phone] | Mobile [phone] | Fax [phone]
> http://www.peptolab.com
>
>
>

[Charles-32]

> I'm a *huge* fan of YUI.  I like how you can pick and choose which
> components to include, just like ZF.  Also upon examining their code,
> it is very high quality.

Sorry for the "me too" post, but me too.   :O)   I'm more impressed the more I use it.

> YUI = huge(!), robust, pretty stable, great event handling, good
> documentation...

As Michael mentioned, you control the size by using just what you need, *plus* Yahoo provides minified versions, plus you can easily *GZIP* that.  For example, the minified/GZIP'd version of the Event library is ~2KB.

-- Charles

[Mislav Marohnić]

On 9/21/06, Charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> YUI = huge(!), robust, pretty stable, great event handling, good
> documentation...

As Michael mentioned, you control the size by using just what you need, *plus* Yahoo provides minified versions, plus you can easily *GZIP* that.  For example, the minified/GZIP'd version of the Event library is ~2KB.

Some older browsers have problems with javascripts sent over the wire gzipped (Netscape 4?). But who cares about them anyway :) They can use squirrel if they don't like to use new free stuff like browsers and web apps - our all new ZMail, for instance ;)