Which components to ship?
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Hi all,
We also need to start thinking about the list of components that we will actually ship as 2.0 and decide what to do about those we won't. This is a list of components that we have in git. For each one, I've noted if we test it with Travis CI, ship it as a standalone component for beta 4 on packages.zendframework.com and whether we have any docs for it on http://packages.zendframework.com/docs/latest/manual/en/index.html. (This table works best with a monospace font!) Component in git Travis Packaged Docs ---------------------------------------------------- Zend\Acl Yes Yes Zend\Amf Zend\Authentication Yes Yes Zend\Barcode Yes Yes Zend\Cache Yes Yes Yes Zend\Captcha Yes Yes Zend\Cloud Yes Yes Zend\Code Yes Yes Zend\Config Yes Yes Yes Zend\Console Yes Yes Zend\Crypt Yes Yes Yes Zend\Currency Yes Zend\Date Yes Zend\Db Yes Yes Yes Zend\Debug Yes Zend\Di Yes Yes Yes Zend\DocBook Yes Zend\Dojo Yes Zend\Dom Yes Yes Zend\EventManager Yes Yes Yes Zend\Feed Yes Yes Zend\File Yes Yes Zend\Filter Yes Yes Zend\Form Yes Yes Yes Zend\GData Yes Zend\Http Yes Yes Yes Zend\InfoCard Yes Yes Zend\InputFilter Yes Yes Yes Zend\Json Yes Yes Zend\Ldap Yes Yes Yes Zend\Loader Yes Yes Yes Zend\Locale Yes Yes Zend\Log Yes Yes Zend\Mail Yes Yes Yes Zend\Markup Yes Zend\Math Yes Zend\Measure Yes Yes Zend\Memory Yes Zend\Mime Yes Yes Zend\ModuleManager Yes Yes Yes Zend\Mvc Yes Yes Yes Zend\Navigation Yes Yes Zend\OAuth Yes Yes Zend\OpenId Yes Yes Zend\Paginator Yes Yes Zend\Pdf Yes Zend\ProgressBar Yes Zend\Queue Zend\Registry Yes Yes Zend\Rest Yes Zend\Search Yes Zend\Serializer Yes Yes Zend\Server Yes Zend\ServiceManager Yes Yes Zend\Service\AgileZen Yes Zend\Service\Akismet Yes Zend\Service\Amazon Yes Zend\Service\Audioscrobbler Zend\Service\Delicious Zend\Service\DeveloperGarden Zend\Service\Flickr Zend\Service\GoGrid Yes Zend\Service\LiveDocx Yes Zend\Service\Nirvanix Yes Zend\Service\Rackspace Yes Zend\Service\ReCaptcha Yes Zend\Service\SlideShare Yes Zend\Service\StrikeIron Yes Zend\Service\Technorati Yes Zend\Service\Twitter Yes Zend\Service\WindowsAzure Yes Zend\Service\Yahoo Zend\Session Yes Yes Zend\Soap Yes Zend\Stdlib Yes Yes Yes Zend\Tag Yes Yes Zend\Test Zend\Text Yes Yes Zend\TimeSync Yes Zend\Translator Yes Yes Zend\Uri Yes Yes Yes Zend\Validator Yes Yes Zend\Version Yes Yes Zend\View Yes Yes Yes Zend\Wildfire Zend\XmlRpc Yes i.e. out of 86 components in git, we test 61, ship 63 and document 18. I'm mildly concerned that we ship components that we don't test via Travis. Conversely, we don't ship components that we test. I think we need to sort out for RC1 exactly which components we want to ship. To my mind, a shippable component should: 1. be of good quality(!) 1. have passing Travis CI tests 2. have documentation 3. have a maintainer Clearly, we'll need to update http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV2/Component+Maintainers! I also think we should ship a smaller number of components that we are happy with and are sure we can maintain long term. In an ideal world, I'd like to see two maintainers per component that we ship. Somehow we have to get to a list that we're comfortable with. This is just the initial post on this and I'm sure we'll have a few stops and starts on this general conversation! I wanted to start it now though as clearly, we need to do a lot of documentation work and we should be gathering volunteers for this effort soon! Thoughts? Regards, Rob... |
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On 10.06.2012 21:59, Rob Allen wrote:
> Hi all, > > We also need to start thinking about the list of components that we will actually ship as 2.0 and decide what to do about those we won't. > > I think this thread is going to be huge, so mabe it's better to discuss each component seprately for now few notes inline regarding components I've studied > Zend\Authentication Yes Yes Lacks Stdlib\Options support and plugin loading, but it's hard to refactor because component is tightly coupled with Db, InfoCard, Ldap via adapters > Zend\Barcode Yes Yes partly depends on Zend\Pdf wich is not maintained > Zend\Date Yes Will it be superseeded by \DateTime and i18n? > Zend\Filter Yes Yes few problems here, it still has Filter\InputFilter, Filter\Compress\Tar depends on PEAR extension, not sure if it's ok Filter\Encrypt should be removed in favor of Zend\Crypt > Zend\GData Yes Is it time to rename it to Service\Google? > Zend\Http Yes Yes Yes Shahar Evron has set of new features Http\Entity and refactored Http\Client I think it's good to have in 2.0 I myself work on Http\Headers and bridging Uri and Http\Request wich I plan to finish next week > Zend\InfoCard Yes Yes While it passes tests not sure it works and maintained > Zend\Ldap Yes Yes Yes lacks support of Stdlib\Options, few CS breaks (config keys are camelCase) > Zend\Locale Yes Yes > Zend\Measure Yes Yes superseeded by i18n, Measure is heavily based on Zend\Locale > Zend\Memory Yes with the new refactored Zend\Cache don't see the purpose of this component right now it's basically a facade to Zend\Cache memory storage adapter > Zend\OAuth Yes Yes > Zend\OpenId Yes Yes some tests are disabled, not sure those are working > Zend\Pdf Yes not maintained, not sure if really works > Zend\Queue not sure if works, also partly depends on old Zend\Db > Zend\Search Yes Search\Lucene is not maintained, not sure if it works at all Thanks Denis |
Re: Which components to ship?
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In reply to this post by akrabat
Please note I didn't have much time in the last month to follow the development as I did in the months before, so some things may be outdated. * MVC (Controllers, REST, session, View, helpers, JSON, forms, validation) + events * Db * Acl + Auth * Log * Cache * Server/Client * translation
Skip * Currency * Date * ALL SERVICES * InfoCard * Amf * Memory * etc. And maybe expose skipped components via some beta channel (if it can be done using composer).
In other words - make 2.0 be the minimal framework to create a website or web service. Leave all the candy to be added later. Things like Zend\Crypt are great, but they are not needed for every project. We can start without them.
Our main goal should be to polish all the core functionality as much as possible before 2.0. Because of the BC policy anything that will go to 2.0 should never disappear, for that reason I vote for minimal 2.0. With components added in short release cycles afterwards when ZF2 is out in the wild - priority based on.. .say ... the use cases that would have most SO questions :D
I'd prioritize the creation of convenience layers for existing components with rough edges :)
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Re: Which components to ship?
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Am 10.06.2012, 19:59 Uhr, schrieb Rob Allen <[hidden email]>:
> Hi all, > > We also need to start thinking about the list of components that we will > actually ship as 2.0 and decide what to do about those we won't. > > > This is a list of components that we have in git. For each one, I've > noted if we test it with Travis CI, ship it as a standalone component > for beta 4 on packages.zendframework.com and whether we have any docs > for it on > http://packages.zendframework.com/docs/latest/manual/en/index.html. > > (This table works best with a monospace font!) > > Component in git Travis Packaged Docs > ---------------------------------------------------- > … > Zend\Pdf Yes Hi, I think Zend\Pdf is definitely not ready. The current version is useless: No support for paragraphs and tables! In ZF1 there are 57 issues with status "Major" and in the top ten of popular issues is the component represented three times. http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-313 http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-1254 http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-1290 (Issues created in 2006 and 2007!) King regards, Frank |
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Hi Rob,
I think the main point from below is to define what we mean by a "shippable component". If that can be agreed, the rest follows naturally. Some components, particularly those without a maintainer, should possibly be omitted if they are known to be of poor quality/obsolete functionality (e.g. the Twitter service badly needs an overhaul that I undertook to do for ZF 2.0 - obviously my restricted time has put that out to a later date so the current version should be dropped IMO). Let's not start 2.0 off by forcing it to inherit 1.x's unnecessary kludges. P.S. Looks like we need a focus on documentation from the below. Says Mr. Zend\Feed-Has-No-Docs ;). Paddy Pádraic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.survivethedeepend.com Zend Framework Community Review Team ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Allen <[hidden email]> > To: Zend Framework Contributors <[hidden email]> > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:59 PM > Subject: [zf-contributors] Which components to ship? > > Hi all, > > We also need to start thinking about the list of components that we will > actually ship as 2.0 and decide what to do about those we won't. > > > This is a list of components that we have in git. For each one, I've noted > if we test it with Travis CI, ship it as a standalone component for beta 4 on > packages.zendframework.com and whether we have any docs for it on > http://packages.zendframework.com/docs/latest/manual/en/index.html. > > (This table works best with a monospace font!) > > Component in git Travis Packaged Docs > ---------------------------------------------------- > Zend\Acl Yes Yes > Zend\Amf > Zend\Authentication Yes Yes > Zend\Barcode Yes Yes > Zend\Cache Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Captcha Yes Yes > Zend\Cloud Yes Yes > Zend\Code Yes Yes > Zend\Config Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Console Yes Yes > Zend\Crypt Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Currency Yes > Zend\Date Yes > Zend\Db Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Debug Yes > Zend\Di Yes Yes Yes > Zend\DocBook Yes > Zend\Dojo Yes > Zend\Dom Yes Yes > Zend\EventManager Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Feed Yes Yes > Zend\File Yes Yes > Zend\Filter Yes Yes > Zend\Form Yes Yes Yes > Zend\GData Yes > Zend\Http Yes Yes Yes > Zend\InfoCard Yes Yes > Zend\InputFilter Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Json Yes Yes > Zend\Ldap Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Loader Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Locale Yes Yes > Zend\Log Yes Yes > Zend\Mail Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Markup Yes > Zend\Math Yes > Zend\Measure Yes Yes > Zend\Memory Yes > Zend\Mime Yes Yes > Zend\ModuleManager Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Mvc Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Navigation Yes Yes > Zend\OAuth Yes Yes > Zend\OpenId Yes Yes > Zend\Paginator Yes Yes > Zend\Pdf Yes > Zend\ProgressBar Yes > Zend\Queue > Zend\Registry Yes Yes > Zend\Rest Yes > Zend\Search Yes > Zend\Serializer Yes Yes > Zend\Server Yes > Zend\ServiceManager Yes Yes > Zend\Service\AgileZen Yes > Zend\Service\Akismet Yes > Zend\Service\Amazon Yes > Zend\Service\Audioscrobbler > Zend\Service\Delicious > Zend\Service\DeveloperGarden > Zend\Service\Flickr > Zend\Service\GoGrid Yes > Zend\Service\LiveDocx Yes > Zend\Service\Nirvanix Yes > Zend\Service\Rackspace Yes > Zend\Service\ReCaptcha Yes > Zend\Service\SlideShare Yes > Zend\Service\StrikeIron Yes > Zend\Service\Technorati Yes > Zend\Service\Twitter Yes > Zend\Service\WindowsAzure Yes > Zend\Service\Yahoo > Zend\Session Yes Yes > Zend\Soap Yes > Zend\Stdlib Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Tag Yes Yes > Zend\Test > Zend\Text Yes Yes > Zend\TimeSync Yes > Zend\Translator Yes Yes > Zend\Uri Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Validator Yes Yes > Zend\Version Yes Yes > Zend\View Yes Yes Yes > Zend\Wildfire > Zend\XmlRpc Yes > > i.e. out of 86 components in git, we test 61, ship 63 and document 18. > > I'm mildly concerned that we ship components that we don't test via > Travis. Conversely, we don't ship components that we test. > > I think we need to sort out for RC1 exactly which components we want to ship. > > To my mind, a shippable component should: > > 1. be of good quality(!) > 1. have passing Travis CI tests > 2. have documentation > 3. have a maintainer > > Clearly, we'll need to update > http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV2/Component+Maintainers! > > > I also think we should ship a smaller number of components that we are happy > with and are sure we can maintain long term. In an ideal world, I'd like to > see two maintainers per component that we ship. > > > Somehow we have to get to a list that we're comfortable with. This is just > the initial post on this and I'm sure we'll have a few stops and starts > on this general conversation! I wanted to start it now though as clearly, we > need to do a lot of documentation work and we should be gathering volunteers for > this effort soon! > > > Thoughts? > > > Regards, > > Rob... > |
Re: Which components to ship?
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In reply to this post by Frank Brückner
Hi all,
Zend_Pdf: I must agree that Zend_Pdf is not the best component at all currently. I tried using it, but ended in using Tcpdf. It's a very ugly class, but it works good and you get fast your wanted result.
To Zend_Date maybe an addition: I didn't followed the complete work from ZF1 to ZF2. But at this component i wanted to point out some features/problems, which made it hard to learn for me at the beginning (and nearly skiped the component)
- ISO year "problem/feature" - very hard to find this, if you didnt know this from the beginning on (didn't read it) http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-5297
- "getDate" Method returns a clone of your date object, but the timezone is reseted - if you work with "addMonth/addYear/addDay/..." you have to pay attention on the options "fix_dst => false and extend_month => true" (also a very hard bug to find later)
Maybe just the documentation has to highlight this "hidden" features more efficient. In summarize the locale/internationalisation is the best component in ZF1, because this saves you a lot of development time!
Best regards Martin Keckeis
2012/6/11 Frank Brückner <[hidden email]> Am 10.06.2012, 19:59 Uhr, schrieb Rob Allen <[hidden email]>: |
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